Jeff was joined by former State Senator Rick Halford. Halford was first elected to the Alaska House in 1978. After serving two terms in the House, he was elected to the Alaska Senate in 1982, where he served until 2003. He served two terms as Senate President. They discuss why he first ran for office, his history in the legislature, the financial crisis in the 1980s, Alaska's current fiscal situation, the permanent fund, and Pebble Mine.